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Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Thread started on: Sep 20th, 2003, 07:13am » |
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I remind you that at the middle of OotP, Harry thought that he, Voldermort possessing him, actually attacked Mr. Weasley. Ginny ask:
“'Well, can you remember everything you've been doing?' Ginny asked. 'Are there big blank periods where you don't know that you've been up to?'
Harry racked his brains.
'No,' he said.
Then You-Know-Who hasn't ever possessed you,' said Ginny simply. 'When he did it to me, I couldn't remember what I'd been doing for hours at a time. I'd find myself somewhere and not know how I got there.'”
Well now, flash-forward to Chapter 26 and Prof. Snape.
“Harry opened his eyes. He was flat on his back again with no memory of having got there; he was also panting as though he really had run the length of the Department of Mysteries corridor, really had sprinted through the black door and found the circular room.”
What is Prof. Snape really doing during these lessons? Is that last passage meaningful?
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #1 on: Sep 20th, 2003, 11:09am » |
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I dunno. I don't think Snape was doing anything here.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #2 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 01:19am » |
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yeah...i dono if snape was doin anything to him..i dont think he would try anything at hogwarts if he was gonna
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #3 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 02:54am » |
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yeah....................... i don't know.
As i haven't reach the part cauz now i am in chapter 18 (Dumbledore's army) if i have finish reading i will answer again.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #4 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 11:56am » |
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I think Snape is so gosh darn mean because he had a crush on Lily.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #5 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 9:18pm » |
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No matter the slant you take on Prof. Snape, I think you will find the following to be truthfully alarming. Prof. Snape has been the 'evil' good character in the books thus far. At first we just knew Snape was behind the attempts to steal the philosopher's stone, knock Harry off of his nimbus, and other deeds of evilness. Invariable though, we always were surprised that Snape was not behind these attempts, and that he was even helping to foil them in most cases. A theme derived through the Philosopher's Stone to the Order of the Phoenix is that no matter how hateful, jealous, or mean Snape is, he is not an evil character. We have eliminated the possibility of Snape working against the Order or Harry. We always rationalize Snape's behavior by saying “Snape is mean and hateful character, but he is not evil." We can no longer take Snape's innocents as a given and dismiss any theory that implicates Snape. Snape might be working for Voldemort; he might be working for himself, or he might be working for the Order.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #6 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 9:21pm » |
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I sure hope not...
But it's very possible.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #7 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 9:34pm » |
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on Sep 21st, 2003, 9:18pm, ASC wrote:No matter the slant you take on Prof. Snape, I think you will find the following to be truthfully alarming. Prof. Snape has been the 'evil' good character in the books thus far. At first we just knew Snape was behind the attempts to steal the philosopher's stone, knock Harry off of his nimbus, and other deeds of evilness. Invariable though, we always were surprised that Snape was not behind these attempts, and that he was even helping to foil them in most cases. A theme derived through the Philosopher's Stone to the Order of the Phoenix is that no matter how hateful, jealous, or mean Snape is, he is not an evil character. We have eliminated the possibility of Snape working against the Order or Harry. We always rationalize Snape's behavior by saying “Snape is mean and hateful character, but he is not evil." We can no longer take Snape's innocents as a given and dismiss any theory that implicates Snape. Snape might be working for Voldemort; he might be working for himself, or he might be working for the Order.
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wow man....you really stop to think about this stuff don't you?
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #8 on: Sep 21st, 2003, 10:20pm » |
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I am not trying to damage Snape's image, but I do like to keep an active mind and explore/support theorys I know to be based on sound ideas and examples.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 22nd, 2003, 7:47pm » |
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Now you have me all worried about Snape, ASC! 
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #10 on: Sep 25th, 2003, 9:46pm » |
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It's impossible................ 
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #11 on: Sep 26th, 2003, 03:06am » |
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After re-reading Philosopher's Stone, I see some of ASC's point. Snape is the 'evil' good guy we've all come to like to some degree. Basically, you love to hate him! Even though people say Snape is cruel to Harry because of the way James, Sirius, Peter, and Remus treated him during their time at Hogwarts; I believe it was true up to a point, but ended when James saved Severus after a practical joke gone wrong (shown in OoTP). I think Severus no longer continued his hatred, as strongly for James, but for the others it didn't waver. Perhaps he saw that James was putting on a show, that he didn't mean to say all those hurtful things. Or not. There are two parts from (PS) that I'll address, that I find quite interesting.
Harry didn't know whether he was imagining it or not, but he seemed to keep running into Snape wherever he went. At times, he even wondered whether Snape was following him, trying to catch him on his own. Potions lessons were turning into a sort of weekly torture, Snape was so horrible to Harry. Could Snape possibly know they'd found out about the Philosopher's Stone? Harry didn't see how he could--yet he sometimes had the horrible feeling that Snape could read minds. (PS13)
From this you think Snape is personally trying to get Harry into trouble, but lately I've been thinking: he's looking after Harry, keeping Dumbledore aware of his actions and what he's up to. After all he is a spy for Dumbeldore and the Order, and considering Harry thinks Snape hates him, it works perfectly, and Harry wouldn't know any other reason as to Snape's odd actions. Not to mention the last part of that paragraph mentions that Harry feels that Snape could read minds, which we find out he can perform Legilimency as well as Occlumency (found out in OoTP). Some nice forshadow that none of us would have realized.
Now as it tells in (PS17)
'And the Invisibility Cloak--do you know who sent me that?'
'Ah--your father happened to leave it in my possesion and I thought you might like it.' Dumbledore's eyes twinkled.
Now it's clear that Dumbledore gave him the Invisibility Cloak for Christmas, but as you recall, the Cloak was left when Harry and Hermione went up to the Astronomy tower to let Charlie and his friends take Hagrid's baby dragon Norbert. They had carelessly tossed it aside, completely forgotten until they were caught by Mr. Filch and Mrs. Norris.
When Harry pulled back his sheets, he found his Invisibility Cloak folded neatly underneath them. There was a note pinned to it:
Just in case.
(PS15)
Out of nowhere the Cloak had been returned to Harry. I believe Snape was the actual one that gave it back to him, as he had a inkling that Professor Quirrell was up to something, and perhaps Harry might be able to investigate it; Quirrell was already being cautious of Snape by this time. Not to mention It seemed almost to convenient that Dumbledore received an Owl supposedly from the 'Ministery of Magic' which we later find out, Professor Quirrell sent the Owl to Dumbledore, just when the trio realized they had to find the Philosopher Stone. How the trio knew what was going on, and the teachers kept in the dark is still a mystery to me. I guess it's all there to keep the flow of the plot.
I keep getting slightly off topic!  So, with just these passages alone from the first novel, as there are many many more, it shows that Snape in some sence is looking out for Harry, but Snape can't let him know, so continues this cruel sniviling outwards character to a tea.
With ASC's last point in his second posting, I think it's true at this point in the series, we can't tell exactly or for certain where Snape's loyalty resides. We can only go by that he's helping the Order and Dumbledore around the school. In book 5, Snape tutored Harry in Occlumency so that he would be able to resist Voldemort if he tried to take possesion of him as he did to Ginny. (Cos) Though the lessons didn't work well and Harry had given up after seeing Snape's worst memory. Snape in some small way, was trying to help Harry.
For all I know I could be completely wrong in everything I've said. I'm just going with what I found interesting, and what clues lead to question some things.
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Re: Prof. Snape and [i]Remedial Potions.[/i]
« Reply #12 on: Sep 26th, 2003, 7:15pm » |
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An excellent theory Pixie!
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 26th, 2003, 9:06pm » |
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Right. I think for now I am neither convinced of Snape's innocents or guilt. I do find it odd that a grown wizard would be so petty toward a student. He might have reason to be so now, but at the first potion lesson in PS, he came off too rude. I’ve never seen someone be so bitter for so long. The first thing he does when he sees him in the Shrieking Shack is to delight that the Dementors will soon be giving him a kiss. He is a smart wizard, and rightfully was sorted into Slytherin, but why does he always rag Harry and his friends. The bit about James saving him can’t account for all of his actions.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 27th, 2003, 10:41am » |
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Snape wasn't happy about the kiss going to Harry, he wanted one for Sirius and Lupin.
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